Hero vs. Villain: topical debates in the spirit of fishing 11: Hero vs. Villain. When is a fly not a fly? International edition https://www.buzzsprout.com/780203/8389067-hero-vs-villain-when-is-a-fly-not-a-fly-international-edition.mp3 Do you fish the squirmy wormy? Charles and Simon debate, with contributions from Zoom callers around the globe, what truly constitutes fly fishing. Spread the love Posted in Fishing Podcasts.